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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hello everyone. I am after a little knowledge into breeding.

I am currently a Veterinary Student and would like to understand more into how these are controlled in the real world.

We are all aware of the problems with GSD's, Cavaliers and brachio dogs. I have become interested in genes and decided to find out what is being done to prevent these kind of problems happening in other breeds. I therefore went looking for something not known in the general public but known to be a problem within the breed. Being in practice this has been based on veterinary experience.

Beardies are one that has come up, Auto Imune diseases and the MRD1 gene in particular. It seems looking at this forum it is obvious that the "beardie community" is aware of it even if the general public aren't. I was wondering therefore is there anything being done to protect the breed from taking a nose dive. The show beardie comes from such a small gene pool it will never be easy to try and breed out these problems but are there any safe guards, unwritten rules? Obviously I understand nothing can be "policed" and there will always be irresponsible breeders out there.

If a dog shows up these problems are they removed from the gene pool? Are their blood lines looked into? Or do people just carry on regardless. With show beardies being relatively low in numbers compared to say spaniels I'd have thought keeping control of the majority wouldn't be out of the question. Breed societies could be asking for these checks before registering the dogs??

Please note I am not trying to start a debate or anything, I am genuinely interested. We have examples where poor breeding has led to the near distruction of breeds, in the case of Cavaliers there is still so much question around its survival. Show beardies are known for their looks and bred for a particular look, is anything being done to check the internal health of these dogs to protect its future as a breed.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Daydreamer - I can't help you, I'm afraid, but would be very interested in what you find out and what conclusions you draw from your research.

I agree - you aren't trying to start any kind of a debate, but are just after our ideas and experiences and thoughts on the matter...looking forward to hearing what people have to say Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Is there any info of the type you require on the @The British BC Connexion
http://www.bcx-uk.co.uk/ ?

Or you could look on the 'Bearded Collie Club:;- http://www.beardedcollieclub.co.uk/health.php

..and I think there might be other links within these sites which might bring up something of interest:-

http://www.midshiresbeardedcollieclub.com/
http://www.weswbeardies.org/news-and-reviews-3/
http://scbcc.co.uk/health/

Good Luck as the topic is of great interest to many of us BC owners.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi

The breed clubs are addressing the very problems you raise and it may be worth you contacting them, such as the http://www.beardedcollieclub.co.uk/default.php who will be able to give you more information than I am able to. You can read about current research into Addison’s and other health concerns on their site.

The Joint Breed Liaison Committee recently held workshops around the country to listen to peoples concerns about the breed and how we can go about to improve the breeds health. The results of which have been analysed and will be made available soon I believe. You could contact Elizabeth Ayrton who is the Breed health Co-ordinator and a vet herself, I think her details are on the BCC web site.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Chris, hope all ok with you and yours, did you get the email I sent yesterday?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

snowleopard wrote:
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The breed clubs are addressing the very problems you raise and it may be worth you contacting them, such as the http://www.beardedcollieclub.co.uk/default.php who will be able to give you more information than I am able to. You can read about current research into Addison’s and other health concerns on their site.

The Joint Breed Liaison Committee recently held workshops around the country to listen to peoples concerns about the breed and how we can go about to improve the breeds health. The results of which have been analysed and will be made available soon I believe. You could contact Elizabeth Ayrton who is the Breed health Co-ordinator and a vet herself, I think her details are on the BCC web site.

Good luck


Thank you, that's good to hear. We have screwed up with so many breeds it would be sad that we hadn't learnt from our mistakes. I will take my questions elsewhere and by the looks of it get positive answers.

Thank you all.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Daydreamer - worth a look at this posting, and there are others that are on here - will try and find them for you.

http://www.beardedcollies.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14959#355966

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Another very useful site to which I have added our boys details, together with our two previous beardie girls.

http://www.beaconforhealth.org/

I know quite a few of us on the FBC have our dogs details on here those both healthy and those who have had problems. It is a very informative site and I would love to think that all the beardie community would add to it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Daydreamer wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
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The breed clubs are addressing the very problems you raise and it may be worth you contacting them, such as the http://www.beardedcollieclub.co.uk/default.php who will be able to give you more information than I am able to. You can read about current research into Addison’s and other health concerns on their site.

The Joint Breed Liaison Committee recently held workshops around the country to listen to peoples concerns about the breed and how we can go about to improve the breeds health. The results of which have been analysed and will be made available soon I believe. You could contact Elizabeth Ayrton who is the Breed health Co-ordinator and a vet herself, I think her details are on the BCC web site.

Good luck


Thank you, that's good to hear. We have screwed up with so many breeds it would be sad that we hadn't learnt from our mistakes. I will take my questions elsewhere and by the looks of it get positive answers.

Thank you all.


Your welcome, although beardie breed clubs are trying to address the problems the breed faces it is up to individuals to adhere to their recommendations. There are, and always will be sadly some people who put prestige and money before the breed they are supposed to love and ignore the science and advice. Buts its positive the breed clubs are trying to take things forward.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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Chris, hope all ok with you and yours, did you get the email I sent yesterday?


Hi Sue,

We are all well thank you.

I never got the email from you yesterday.

Hope you are all ok?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Daydreamer!
If you are on Facebook, you will definitely be interested by the discussions and information in the "Bearded Collie Breed Protection" group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/108373089579256/?fref=ts

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This will be very interesting to follow.

All my Beardies have been Show ones (and loved to bits ) of course.

The breeders have always been very careful, and none have had any major health problems. I've noticed that they all still have their working instinct.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:07 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry meant to say they've all lived to a great age - 16/17 years.

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