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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hello everybody, we haven't been on here for a while, hopefully everyone is fine. We hope someone can give us some information.

We regularly use Advantix on the boys, and as we have just arrived in France for a 3 week stay, the area, the Dordogne being rife with ticks, so on arrival we liberally dosed the boys with Advantix again - which has always worked. After a few days we discovered multiple ticks on the boys, clearly the Advantix was not working, so we visited our usual French vet and was advised to try NexGard, a chewable pill. We administered the pill and a day later Dougal is now exhibiting lethargy and not eating. This is most unlike the Dougal we know. Apparently these are well known side effects. The other dog, Archie appears to be OK. This could be coincidence, but we have brought their food from the UK and we do not believe that they have eaten anything untoward.

Has anybody had an experience like this from NexGard? Is there any way of flushing it through the system?

Thanks Paul and Maureen
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi

Baillie was given a chewable flea / tick treatment by out vet as due to his allergies etc can have the normal ones we used to use. He became lethargic etc and the vet advised that the only thing to do was wait 48 hours give plenty of fluids and as long as there was no panting / erratic heartbeat or runny bum he should be ok. The chewy tablet was brown and the size of a rolo but cant remember what the name was but it wasnt the same as your.

Hope you resolve things soon and can enjoy your time in France.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nexguard contains an ectoparasiticide from the same group as Bravecto which has been killing dogs worldwide.

http://www.beardedcollies.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15262&highlight=bravecto

If you haven't spoken to your vet about the effects Dougal is suffering then I would straight away. As far as I know there is no way of removing the poison from his system, only time will do that. It seems that these drugs badly affect some dogs and not others. I am not familiar with the way Advantix works but it's quite likely that it would take 24/48 hours to kill the ticks and they may have only recently attached when you found them.

Really hope your boy is ok.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for both replies. Dougal is no worse (or better) and we have a vet appointment for tomorrow morning.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Good luck.

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Hope all is well with Dougal poor boy. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
Have you seen the vet.x B

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hope the vet reassures you tomorrow. We have always used Fiprospot when we go to France, I think it's the same as Frontline, and it's always worked for us so far.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You can try Milk Thistle, which will detox the liver ( a few drops in water/on food every day), as I think Nexguard/Bravecto can damage the liver. If you are on fb there is a group which has been formed as a result of Bravecto. ( does Bravecto kill dogs) It is quite scary, but you may need to make sure that the vet/company who make it are aware of any problems with Dougal. Vets have been saying it is coincidence etc, but make up your own mind with some research. I have just got a rescue dog who was given a dose of Bravecto ( which she didn't need, but that's another story) & she had worrying symptoms similar to Dougal. I insisted before she came to me she was not given the 2nd dose. I immediately put her on Milk Thistle. I am hoping there is no long term damage. She seems ok now thankfully
Hope Dougal will be ok, some dogs do just go off their food after it.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

How is Dougal doing. Hope the vet was helpful
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you everybody for your help and best wishes. We visited our usual French vet today and have good and bad news. The good: Dougal has not reacted to the NexGard. The bad: he has contracted piroplasmosis from a tick bite.

The symptoms were:

extreme lethargy

refusal to eat

dark urine

panting - ie raised temperature

A blood test showed the parasite in the red blood cells. The treatment is basically injections to kill the parasite (which also destroys the red blood cells) another to stimulate creation of new red blood cells and others to boost liver and kidney functions. He should begin recovering in 24 hours or so and we will know within 72 hours if there is any other infection associated with the tick bite. In the meantime he is just totally zonked out.
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Oh heck that's a b....r! Hope Dougal is ok, sounds like your vet is on to it.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Maureen & Paul thanks for calling sorry I missed you.
Hope our boy is responding to treatment. So glad you have caught it when you did. Have they tested Archie? What I have read said that if they have outbreak they treat others in the kennels? x Willow

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh dear, that doesn't sound nice, but at least you know what it is and can treat accordingly.

Hope Dougal gets better soon.

Think we had better make sure ours are dosed up before we go in the summer.

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Oh dear Sad Hope he responds ok to treatment. Is it the lesser of the 2 evils! Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:50 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh no... Crying or Very sad So sorry to read about poor Dougal! However, if piroplasmosis is treated at an early stage, dogs usually react very well to the treatment, although they remain quite weak for a while. How is Dougal this morning?

I know that some parts of France are worse than others regarding tick infestation and the risk for dogs of catching piroplasmosis (and yes, Dordogne is one of them). This has been a "tick year" so far, although the number of those nasty creatures seems to be decreasing now (the worst part of the year is usually March-April).

NexGard and Bravecto don't have a very good reputation and there have been lots of more or less serious (and even lethal) reactions to those products. I follow a French facebook group which is all about the problems encountered with Bravecto (they also sometimes mention NexGard too) and the reports are appalling. Most vets don't accept the idea that the problems are linked to those products as there has been no serious research yet and therefore no scientific proof that those products are the direct cause of the problems faced by a growing number of dogs, apparently. But some research has been recently undertaken in Germany (and Italy, I seem to remember) following the numerous complaints and reports by dog owners and/or some vets who have accepted to do so.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

How is Dougal getting on, anyone know?

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 7:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It's now 72 hours since Dougal visited the vet and started treatment. He seems to be progressing exactly as she expected. He is now eating, walking and becoming his usual garrulous self! It looks like he is on the mend. We have delayed our return by a couple of days to allow him more recovery time and he gets his pre-return vet examination tomorrow. We are anticipating a positive result!
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So good to read that Dougal is getting better. Very Happy

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That's good news. Smile

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I am so pleased for Dougal, and yourselves, to hear that things are on the mend. I am sure he is now well on the way to a full recovery and will be so excited to get back to Britain, even if the weather is not always what we would like. Smile

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So pleased that there is good new - well done that boy get better soon. x

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