The UK Bearded Collie Website Forum Index
Home  •  Search  •  Memberlist  •  Usergroups   •  Register  •  Profile  •  Log in to check your private messages  •  Log inFAQ
 Anyone seen this before please? View next topic
View previous topic
Post new topicReply to topic
Author Message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Jacquietwig wrote:
Spyda the spaniel is acting like a looney, she's 14 years old and I was told to let her take it easy after the treatment Shocked Rolling Eyes Laughing


Will Buddy act like that Jacquie? Shocked Very Happy Is it a side effect of the treatment? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I really hope he will Chris Very Happy I have had them feel so good they do something stupid and set themselves back again! Rolling Eyes

Yes Judy it's so good that she feels better, she has been in a pretty bad way since Tuesday last week, getting better slowly but the treatment seems to have really put her back on track. Very Happy

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Great Jacquie, I would love to see Buddy act like a looney Very Happy he would fit right in, in our house. Very Happy .

Glad Spyda feels so good. Smile

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
judy g
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Posts: 8709

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy Lets hear it for a LoonySpyda, then! Good news....

_________________
WomanLovesNosesAnTruffes

Remembering Our Lovely Kentish, Betsy, lucyyorkie and Danny Kaye xx

( and....take THAT, Photobucket....thank you MMM )
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Cool Laughing Laughing

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
judy g
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Posts: 8709

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

( ps, great name ) Smile

_________________
WomanLovesNosesAnTruffes

Remembering Our Lovely Kentish, Betsy, lucyyorkie and Danny Kaye xx

( and....take THAT, Photobucket....thank you MMM )
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

judy g wrote:
( ps, great name ) Smile


She's black Wink Cool

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
judy g
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Posts: 8709

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy and, I am guessing, not eeensy-weensy....

_________________
WomanLovesNosesAnTruffes

Remembering Our Lovely Kentish, Betsy, lucyyorkie and Danny Kaye xx

( and....take THAT, Photobucket....thank you MMM )
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

judy g wrote:
Very Happy and, I am guessing, not eeensy-weensy....


Deffinately not! Laughing Laughing Laughing

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
judy g
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Posts: 8709

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Laughing Thought not!

_________________
WomanLovesNosesAnTruffes

Remembering Our Lovely Kentish, Betsy, lucyyorkie and Danny Kaye xx

( and....take THAT, Photobucket....thank you MMM )
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I was so full of hope on Saturday morning that things were improving for Buddy as he had not jumped up scared for two days but sadly on Saturday and today it has become worse.

Saturday Buddy started to jump up scared and wanted to go outside. I let him out and all he did was just sand there still staring are me, but not really seeing me, he has done this a few times since. When he does go out for a wee he moves to the right then to the left and then back to the right, he does this a few times before he steps onto the grass.

Today on our walk now and again he would rush ahead of me as usually he walks nicely by my side. When we stop walking Buddy becomes really scared, and he is pulling on the lead due to being scared.

He behaved this way when there was no scary noises but now they have begun to cause him fear. Buddy has never been scared of traffic or any noise and he has helped so many other dogs overcome their fear of this so to see him like this is upsetting.

I have seen dog’s in pain before with behavioural problems but with Buddy’s behaviour over the last two days I don't think its pain related. It could be so many things and hypothyroid disease could be a good candidate but I know Buddy so well and his behaviour is so far now from what it once was, and this has happened in just two days.

I am just going to walk him on the field by our home as he is happy there and I won’t try to help him overcome any fears he has about the traffic as I would only make him more anxious as his fear is due to a medical condition and nothing I do would help him.

How quickly things can change, he was doing so well. My experience with dogs and their behaviour, I fear makes me think Bud has a neurological problem. I am now seeing that Buddy is showing on going anxiety after he has been frightened and is more confused.

Last night watching him just stand there looking at me broke my heart. Crying or Very sad

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh Chris I'm so sorry. I hope you can get this sorted and Buddy will improve.
Is the vet going to do a thyroid test?

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you Jacquie,

We see her on Tuesday morning and she said when she sees us again that she would do some bloods and I will ask about a thyroid test as well.

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
beardielady
Friend in Training
Friend in Training


Joined: 07 Aug 2010
Posts: 46

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

How awful just when you thought he was getting better.

I once had a Beardie that was absolutely fine with noise and would be okay with fireworks. Then the next time we had a bout of fireworks in the distance she became very agitated and I noticed that she was jumping at any noise. This is so frustrating having got her used to various noises etc. It turned out she was hypothyroid and when we gave her the medication she was a lot better with noises again although not as good as originally.

However…..and I said this before…….I do not want to be alarmist but some dogs can become fearful, act strange and are very anxious before they are diagnosed with Addison’s. Sometimes the symptoms wax and wane and are put down to other problems until the dog has a crisis. The thing is if Buddy’s adrenal glands are not working properly he will not be able to cope with stress no matter how well you have trained him and he has been in the past.

With neurological problems are you thinking of a brain tumour? I would have thought with something like that he would be showing symptoms or eye problems, circling, sickness etc.

I certainly do not want to sound so gloomy and worry you more so I wonder if you would consider giving Jo Tucker a call? She is always willing to help and knows much more than I do about things. She may be able to rule out some things including Addison’s so that you can concentrate on other ideas of what could be the problem. Or she may suggest something else.

Her number is : 020 8368 9148
View user's profileSend private message
megamaree
Senior Friend
Senior Friend


Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 100

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Chris, If Buddy is insured then I would insist on a referral to University of Liverpool,as much as you may have faith in your Vet diagnosis will be made much quicker at these sort of places.It obviously indicates pain coming from some where.I think unlikely to be Addisons as there would be more symptons,and Buddy would have a temperature,even with Atypical Addisons, plus it normally occurs in much younger dogs,the same applies to Hypothyroid.Hope you can get to a diagnosis very soon

Mary x
View user's profileSend private message
beardielady
Friend in Training
Friend in Training


Joined: 07 Aug 2010
Posts: 46

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree with megamaree that a specialist might be better if your vet can not make a definite diagnosis although hopefully your vet can run some inhouse blood tests meantime.

Buddy has been off his food, has weakness/pain in his hind legs and not wanting to jump in and out the car, and also the unexplained nervousness could be some symptoms of Addison’s. Not all symptoms are needed and neither is there a high temperature in every case.

Dogs as old as 13 have become ill with Addison’s so I think it is best to be aware that it can happen to any dog and not rule things out because of statistics which may be out of date.

Whilst autoimmune thyroiditis may be in younger dogs hypothyroidism can occur at any age and a lot of older dogs are misdiagnosed as “getting old” when it is their thyroid that is wearing out.

This is why I suggested contacting Jo Tucker because she is the expert on autoimmune diseases, she has had years of helping owners (not just Beardie) with their ill dogs as well as learning all about the diseases etc..

I sincerely hope that it is not an autoimmune disease but I feel it is always something that needs to be considered.
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you Beardielady for your advice its much appreciated.

I honestly don’t know what is wrong with Buddy, one day I think one thing and then the other but that’s just probably me worrying for him. I have worked with dogs with hypothyroid disease or I suspected the dog may have had this illness so advised him or her being tested for it. At times some dogs have had only one symptom or shown a lot more so it can never be ruled out.

I have only helped dogs with Addison’s who have shown fear aggression and I have tried to make their life a little less stressed as its very hard to help them overcome it as it’s not clear if it’s the illness or the meds or both that cause this behaviour. My friends dog which has Addison’s showed no aggressive behaviour as many don’t and is doing really well on the meds so it seems to affect each dog differently so I can’t rule this out either as you say.

This thread has been interesting as its shown that there may be many causes to this behaviour of jumping up scared, from diet to dementia. It’s not knowing if the signs Buddy has shown, such as him going off his food, jumping up scared and his back legs are all related which is important to find out, although he is on a new diet now and is eating as normal again and his legs do show signs of improvement but his nervousness has become worse.

I do agree that Buddy’s symptoms could be signs of pain, hypothyroid and Addison’s and other illnesses as well but I honestly just dont know till I can get him back to the vets and ask for some tests to be done.

What my worry is with Buddy is his unusual behaviour. Like last night my dad came round. Buddy loves my dad and always waits calmly for him at the front door. Last night Buddy never got of his bed, when my dad called him Buddy walked slowly to him, had a cuddle and then went back to bed. I thought he may just be not feeling so great as he never leaves my dad alone but then 5 minutes later the family come home and he’s up barking and wagging his tail when he heard the car and then made a fuss of them when they came in. Or when I let him out this morning to go the toilet he steps to the left, then the right, then the left then the right for about 10 times, then he got so confused he then wanted to come in without going. My wife went to give him a treat and he normally get’s excited but he just looked at her like he did not know what to do and walked off without his treat, my wife then gave it to him on his bed and he ate it all up. It’s this type of behaviour I find concerning.

Thank you Mary for your advice I appreciate what you say and it’s a good idea about going to Liverpool University Hospital with Buddy. The good thing about my vets is that it’s only a small practise but they have their own large hospital in St Helens and they have many specialists visiting there so I may be able to see someone there once I have seen the vet in the morning. If not then I will ask about the University Hospital.

Thank you both

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have to agree with beardielady about the fact that hypothyroid can be late onset as I have had two beardies diagnosed in their teens.

Chris have you had Buddys' eyes checked?

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Jacquie,

Yes the vet checked them and said they were ok, she could not see any nystagmus.

Buddy has also just started to tilt his head to one side at times which is a worry.

I could not wait till tomorrow so managed to get an appointment this afternoon for Buddy. The vet we saw last time is only there twice a week so it’s with another vet but sometimes a second opinion is good and I could not leave him with his nervousness becoming worse over the weekend.

_________________
Image

Last edited by snowleopard on Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:58 am; edited 1 time in total
View user's profileSend private message
judy g
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Posts: 8709

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Will be thinking of you and Buddy, Chris xx

_________________
WomanLovesNosesAnTruffes

Remembering Our Lovely Kentish, Betsy, lucyyorkie and Danny Kaye xx

( and....take THAT, Photobucket....thank you MMM )
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you Judy

xxx

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
beardielady
Friend in Training
Friend in Training


Joined: 07 Aug 2010
Posts: 46

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:20 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I am off out but just quickly wanted to ask what painkillers Buddy was having and if he is still on them? I know things like Rimadyl have caused severe side effects for a lot of dogs and was just wondering whether the head tilt could be due to the medication?

Sorry, just one more thing to add to the puzzle....or rule out.

Hoping all goes well for Buddy and you get some answers this afternoon.
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

beardielady wrote:
I am off out but just quickly wanted to ask what painkillers Buddy was having and if he is still on them? I know things like Rimadyl have caused severe side effects for a lot of dogs and was just wondering whether the head tilt could be due to the medication?

Sorry, just one more thing to add to the puzzle....or rule out.

Hoping all goes well for Buddy and you get some answers this afternoon.


He was on Loxicom painkillers but is off them now.

Many medical conditions may have many of the same symptoms which makes it very difficult to know was really going on.

Thank you

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
Jacquietwig
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Posts: 7895
Location: East Kent, UK

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Good luck this afternoon Chris, will be thinking of you and Buddy.

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
snowleopard
Friend for Life
Friend for Life


Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 1226

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you Jacquie,

We have not long got back from the vets. Buddy has a really bad infection in one of his ears, from the top it looks ok but the vet said the ear drum is really infected and it may go deeper. He’s been fine when being touched on his ears and has not yelped but when she looked deep down it was very uncomfortable for him. The other vet looked in his ears last week but she only did a visual inspection by eye, she should have looked deeper as it may have saved a lot of stress for Buddy and me.

She took bloods but did not want to test for hypothyroid or Addison’s as she said there would be other symptoms but I have seen dogs with both these illnesses who eat and drink as normal and aren’t sick. (when typing this Buddy has just been sick in the garden). If the ear infection is not the cause and his bloods are clear then I was offered a MRI scan at £1,500 or a behavioural referral. Shocked I don’t get this as both things are completely different, one looking for a medical problem but behaviour referral is saying there’s no medical condition. I said why would I pay £250 to see a behaviourist when I am better than the person who I would see,( sorry don’t mean to sound big headed) I can do it myself. I know this person and I would not let them near my dogs. Any way I said this is not behavioural I would know if it was, this is defiantly medical.

I have to wait now for the blood results and to see if the antibiotics clear up Buds ear and then go from there again. The pain could cause some of the behaviours as Mary has said and particularly if he is laying down on his ear but that’s not always the case, and I wonder if he is nervous of traffic due to how he may be hearing loud noises at the moment. But he has had an ear infection before and never behaved this way but last time you could see clearly it was infected so this one may be more severe and affecting his inner ear. It also explains the head tilt, that is a relief.

I mentioned his back legs but she did not want to look at them.

I think I would rather rule out hypothyroid disease and Addison’s before Buddy has an MRI scan, that seems the most logical route and I will insist on that.

I will also insist on seeing a specialist once Buddy’s ear infection has cleared up if he still behaves the same way.

Thank you all for all your help and advice I very much appreciate it and respect what you say as you are all much more knowledgeable than me in this area.

_________________
Image
View user's profileSend private message
Display posts from previous:      
Post new topicReply to topic


 Jump to:   



View next topic
View previous topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum