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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:26 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy When they do the Zoomies, most of the time they will be doing BrokenTail as well - tail held out from the body but then bent down at an angle halfway along...that's if you can see all that, as he whizzes past.......

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Ah,, zoomies - running round like a mad thing for several circuits of the garden or training ground, ears and tail flying behind, mouth open with joy, especially when there's an audience! All our training sessions ended with Jethro doing zoomies (and once or twice they were curtailed when, working off lead, he suddenly took off zoomying). Have your video recorder ready Robert Wink Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

All mine have done a complete circuit of inside the house first, then out the dog door, around the garden and back in and around the house. It really is fun to watch. Laughing Yes have your video at the ready, if you have one. Very Happy

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Zoomies have been and still are a regular event here, but not from Foxie. It's little Miss You who is the zoomie expert, even if she's almost 8 years old now! I should try to make a short video of her mad running around the garden, but I should have the camera ready at all times as she doesn't let me know in advance that she's going to perform, and she definitely IS fast! Shocked Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry folks not photo's of this.

Poor Hobbes. He is clearly one of those Beardies who suffer from travel sickness.

We had to take him to the Vet last night for his first jab. It's quite a journey as we're using the same veterinary that his breeder recommended although we will register for one much closer for emergency purposes.

Anyway, knowing he suffers travel sickness, from our experience when bringing him home for the first time, we made sure he had his last meal before the journey, an hour an a half before. We plied him with a homeopathic remedy for travel sickness, too....

Well unfortunately, it didn't work. And bless, the poor little chap was up chucking both there and back.

He needed a good shower/bath when we got home. But after some supper at about 9 pm, he curled up on the sofa next to me and and was zonked almost immediately. Apart from a quick comfort break before lights out, he slept soundly right through to 7 am this morning.

After breakfast I took him out and, for the first time, we went exploring down the road to a little "green" next to the main road, where we sat and watched the traffic for a bit and then came home..... He really enjoyed that....

So, advice on travel sickness and how to overcome it will be most welcome....

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Poor little Hobbes!

I had the same problem with my Lowchen Miss You when she arrived here (she was 3 years old, after a "not very good life" - let's say no more about it Evil or Very Mad ). Not only was she sick in the car but she also slobbered like I've never seen any dog do before her - so much saliva coming out of such a small dog! Shocked ). Not surprisingly, she did all she could to avoid being put in the car when she realized I was taking her towards it...

The only thing that finally worked for her, after trying all sorts of things that had no effect (homeopathy, herbs, etc - but nothing chemical though) was to follow my groomer's advice, which was indeed to take her for short journeys in the car as often as possible, which I did, and after 3 months she was totally cured, even started loving her car and now she actually demands being lifted (my new car is too high for her to jump in!) and put in her carrier when she understands we are going to drive somewhere!!! So... good luck to you and Hobbes, you can do it! The other recommendation I could make is to place him in a carrier, it makes dogs feel safer than just sitting on the back seat or in the boot.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Poor Hobbes. Sad In my experience, I have found the following useful:-

1. As has been suggested already, take him out in the car every day for very short trips of just two or three miles, making sure that he is on his way to do something enjoyable, ie. a little walk or play.

2. Put him in his travelling crate with a cover over it so that he cannot see out of the sides but can see forward and backward.

3. Like you have already done, do not feed him before a journey until he is comfortable with travelling.

4.Talk to him as you drive along! No one else will hear you!!

He will soon get used to travelling and will learn to enjoy what happens when the car stops.

Good luck Hobbes!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Also, just an idea - before you try to take him in the moving car, try putting him in the car, sitting in it for a little bit, and then taking him out of it again. The idea being that it would be good if he didnt come to associate the car with feeling erpy and horrid... Smile slowly slowly, catchee Beardiebaby

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Poor Hobbes Robert. Sad

My Holly suffered from motions sickness when she was younger.

What can happen is they start to associate the car with a not so nice experience and the anxiety of this can contribute to them throwing up. The sickness may stop on its own as Hobbes matures as it can be due to his development and the relationship between his eyes, ears and brain. However if the anxiety has set in then they may not grow out of it unless we address the problem. My son also had it and that stopped when he got a bit older.

I did and have done with other pups when helping them is what Judy mentions. Every other day or so I would just put him in the car, but you stay with him and don't start the car. Sit with him calmly, so donít get excited or make a big fuss of him, then after a couple of minutes take him out of the car. Make it a calming experience. You can give him some treats while he is in the car if you wish and if he is willing to except them, he may not be, but don't worry if he doesnít want them, thatís fine.

Once I had done this for a week or so I would drive to the end of our lane and back again with Holly in the car, it was about ľ mile if that. Then we went back into our home. I did that for a week or two and then drove about Ĺ a mile for a week or two and kept building upon this until we could drive anywhere and she was fine. I never fed her before we did this either.

The short journeys like this help build confidence in the pups and also help the brain, ears and eyes work in coordination without getting all confused with each other and the pups starts to make good associations with the car.

When doing this if Hobbes is sick in the car then you have gone to far. Next time stop and turnaround before you get to that point.

The first time I went on a treadmill in the gym when I got off I felt so sick and ill and that was motions sickness. I had to do a similar thing by just going on the treadmill for 3 minutes and walking really slowly, then I got off and built the time up I was on it for. Now I can go on there for any length of time and I am fine. It just had to help my ears, eyes and brain work things out.

He will be fine I am sure. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Half to a whole ginger biscuit 30/40 mins before journey.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy Thanks Chris, you went into the detail that I didnt.....xx

Also, what is he being fed - ie, my Betsy was sick as a dog ( Very Happy ) in the car until I fed a tinned ( that is, solid wet food, it wouldnt matter if it was rawfeeding or moist food ) food - I surmised that it was the reaction of dry food, and whatever water she took in with/after it, in her stomach which caused her to feel nauseous.

Whatever it was, the minute I changed her food, her car sickness ( and it was accompanied by MissYou's mega-drooling! ) stopped immediately. And I mean immediately. She never had a problem again.

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judy g wrote:
Very Happy Thanks Chris, you went into the detail that I didnt.....xx

Also, what is he being fed - ie, my Betsy was sick as a dog ( Very Happy ) in the car until I fed a tinned ( that is, solid wet food, it wouldnt matter if it was rawfeeding or moist food ) food - I surmised that it was the reaction of dry food, and whatever water she took in with/after it, in her stomach which caused her to feel nauseous.

Whatever it was, the minute I changed her food, her car sickness ( and it was accompanied by MissYou's mega-drooling! ) stopped immediately. And I mean immediately. She never had a problem again.

Just an idea.

They do suddenly grow out of it. My scotch collie did. Never had any probs with the others, guess it's like people, some get it some don't.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy Believe me, Betsy wouldnt have grown out of this one! No, the nausea stopped the very day I switched her food...it was like a miracle Very Happy
Happy dog, happy driver....

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I've ALWAYS taken my new puppy with me on short trips to the shops etc.

Never feed before travelling, when puppies. Ginger is supposed to be very good, for humans too. Always have a window open, and I've found that if they can see out of a window they're better too. I guess they're all different. Confused Plenty of air anyway. Very Happy

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Thanks everyone....

All the things suggested are already being done. He is on a raw food diet, we don't feed him for at least 2 hours before travelling. We have tried both ginger biscuits and homeopathic remedies... none of this makes an iota of difference.

It seems then there isn't any other solution but to do a little often until he becomes comfortable with it....

So, we have started Hobbes on a new regime with the car today. We have a hatchback so we removed the back shelf, installed a dog guard and dispensed with his travel crate. Lined the boot with a boot liner and laid some of his bedding on it. We put a favourite toy and a frozen food chew in the back. We then lifted him in and although a little wary lay down and began playing with the food chew.

I then drove him 300 yards down to the end of our road where there is a nice, area to go around and socialise with people, dogs and watch the traffic.

I dropped him off with my wife and took the car home and then went back to join them both. We then walked Hobbes back home. That was a success in that there was no up chucking in the car. However, we were still a little stressed.

So the intention is to continue with this regime until he settles and doesn't panic and get stressed. Then we'll extend the drive time.... and repeat.

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That's good Robert, sounds like good progress. Keep it up! Very Happy

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Good news Robert, it seems you may have found the right "cure" for little Hobbes! Keep on trying and I'm sure it will work!

By the way, do you know if Hobbes had ever travelled by car before you picked him up from his breeder's? Maybe he had never been in a car before that? Some breeders (even good ones!) don't realize that pups have to be used to all sorts of things from a very young age! My Foxie's breeders always take their whole litters (with Mum of course) for regular car trips practically from the time they are born, so that when they arrive in their new families it isn't a new experience at all for the pups. I think that's a really good thing to do! Otherwise the puppy's system just has to adjust to being in a moving, unstable environment, all of a sudden, so it may take some time for them to do so.

Good luck anyway!

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Nina07 wrote:
Good news Robert, it seems you may have found the right "cure" for little Hobbes! Keep on trying and I'm sure it will work!

By the way, do you know if Hobbes had ever travelled by car before you picked him up from his breeder's? Maybe he had never been in a car before that? Some breeders (even good ones!) don't realize that pups have to be used to all sorts of things from a very young age! My Foxie's breeders always take their whole litters (with Mum of course) for regular car trips practically from the time they are born, so that when they arrive in their new families it isn't a new experience at all for the pups. I think that's a really good thing to do! Otherwise the puppy's system just has to adjust to being in a moving, unstable environment, all of a sudden, so it may take some time for them to do so.

Good luck anyway!


That is so true Nina and of course if they haven't been in a car before leaving for their new homes they have the double stress of being Kidnapped by strangers too! I always took our pups out for short drives before they left here so at least they then just had the one stressful experience.

Also Robert you could try feeding Hobbes in the car when it's parked in your driveway so he associates the car with good things Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:50 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Nina07 wrote:


By the way, do you know if Hobbes had ever travelled by car before you picked him up from his breeder's?



Yes, as far as I know Hobbes had been out in a vehicle a couple of times. Any way we will persevere with a very little often and progress from there.... He'll get there.

I seem to recall (though it is many years now) our previous two Beardies suffered quite badly for as much as six or more months ..... Confused Confused

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Beardies are very prone to car sickness Sad

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Jacquietwig wrote:
Beardies are very prone to car sickness Sad


Do you think so?... I know very few who are - I can only think of one among all my friends' Beardies in France, in fact.

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Perhaps the French beardies are better with travelling Nina Cool I think all bar one of my Kennel Club beardie pups have been car sick to one degree or another, only had one though who carried it on into adulthood and that was horrific drooling rather than actual vomiting. Others have said the same here in the UK Confused Perhaps I should amend that to read beardie pups as that was what I actually meant Embarassed What about pups in France Nina?

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Twisted Evil Perhaps it is all the goats' cheese that keeps French Beardies uncarsick.... Very Happy

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Mine haven't been prone it, only as little wee things with their first ride really.

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judy g wrote:
Twisted Evil Perhaps it is all the goats' cheese that keeps French Beardies uncarsick.... Very Happy


Aaaahhh... Who knows, that might well be it, then, Judy! Laughing

I'll have to ask my friends about how their Beardies reacted to travelling by car when they were pups, Jacquie. I will let you know the result of my survey! Very Happy But then couldn't it apply to all dog breeds? A friend of mine in my village has recently picked up an 8-week old Border Collie puppy from his breeders', a lovely rustic male she has called Novak - as in Novak Djokovic (she loves tennis! Laughing ), and he had never been in a car before my friend collected him from the working farm where he was born. He has been sick in the car since then, but my friend is working on it - the "little often" method!

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