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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have very itchy beardie and wondered if anyone had any similar experiences?! His hair is patchy and the skin is red and even bleeding in some places. He has had 3 vet visits this month which haven't done anything in fact in the past week its got so bad he is seeing the skin specialist. He has been on antibiotics, apoquel, an antifunal/amtibacterial shampoo and now steroid cream. He has also had skin scrapes which have come back clear! I am beginning to think it may be mange as he gets done with frontline but I think he may need to have advocate which he has been on before but was stopped after an allergic reaction to a pain killer so from then on we have been very careful though he was on the advocate for 3+ years with no ill effects.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh dear how distressing for you both. Could it be fox mange maybe picked up on a walk? He sounds a sensitive little soul. Sorry I canít be of help. Presumably you have thought about grooming products, sprays shampoos etc. Sometimes crop fields are sprayed with stuff too. Hope they can sort it out. Keep us up to date.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Does he have any other symptoms? Has he had his thyroid tested to rule out hypothyroidism?

Is he scratching any particular place?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The skin scrapes would have been for mange so it's unlikely to be that as long as they went deep enough. I take it fleas have been ruled out? What about diet has it been suggested you try an elimination diet? Is he only bleeding where he can reach to scratch? When was he last treated with Frontline? It could be a reaction to that if recently. Sorry for all the questions.
Would Piriton help? it did for Triskel when she got a skin infection through scratching.

Hope you get some answers quickly.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

He is on a diet that doesn't contain gluten...james well beloved complete, he has been on it since he was a puppy and is now 8 years. When he first started itching we stopped any shampooing at all and just used cold water to hose him down then dried him completely before letting him lie anywhere. The vet said it was the heat at first and I should clip him, his belly is already shaved, he had the cold kitchen and cool mats and its got worse even in this cooler weather! His front legs are the worst along with his elbows. He then has patches on his hocks on his side above his elbows and only today we found a completely bald and red patch behind his ear. He is wearing a vet collar and a loose sleeve pyjama top to try and reduce self inflicted damage.
I am definitely leaning towards the sarcoptic mange (the fox one) as our other dog has started itching and we tried to get advocate today unfortunately its a bank holiday even though we did try and persuade the pets at home vets who were open!
The apoquel is like piriton in the fact it reduces the immune system and I haven't treated with frontline since he's been on all the other medications as it seemed so much to overload his body with! Just can't believe he has seen 4 different vets over the past month and its now so bad he almost looks like an rspca case Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am asking around for him. XX

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It could have been an allergy that started things off and him biting, scratching has made things worse. Have you used a different carpet shampoo or floor cleaning products recently or even have new flooring?

Have you any new plants in your garden or has he walked through foliage or tall grass in fields?

How long ago were the skin scrapes? He might have tested clear for Demodex originally but he has been having antibiotics, Apoquel and steroid cream. These will have been suppressing his immune system and that unfortunately could lead to Demodicosis.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Has he had anything similar before ? This time of year mites can cause problems that are similar - the mites only stay on the dog for a short time but the itching can go on for ages. One of ours is nibbling and scratching. Last year at a similar time of year he licked himself raw and the vet gave him antibiotics to stop infection and a steroid injection to reduce the inflammation and stop the itching - we also bathed the patch with salt water and he had to wear the collar of shame.

Having said all that the places that you mention are often places that can be common in mange, but if they have taken a skin scrape that must have been ruled out.

I do hope you get this sorted soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My girls have had similar, we think it is the harvest mite. I found the Avon skin so soft repels them and that coconut oil on the sore skin helps. My girls run in the fields every day and with out the grass being cut due to the weather I think the mites are plentiful. Last year Bracken did the same and torn her coat out so this year I was more prepared. Gilly is right it is the itching you have to stop as the mite not be there but the skin keeps itching. Hope this helps x


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you all! I will look into all suggestions and let you know what the skin specialist says tomorrow x
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

So the verdict is he has fox mange, so the sarcoptic mange, the vet said he hadnít seen the wrinkly skin that barney has in a long time as itís so bad.. so why the other vets had missed it I donít know!!
He has now had a tablet which is meant for fleas and ticks but also kills the mite so with that and antibiotics and itch tablets to stop the itching we have hopefully solved the problem!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank goodness you now have a diagnosis, it did seem the most likely but should have shown up in the skin scrapes.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Good to hear that you now know what the cause is so it is only a matter of time for the medication to kick in and relieve him of all the unpleasant symptoms. I am sure this has been so distressing for you all but this is hopefully, the end and he will now become a much happier boy.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

They can pick it up from the fields. Glad you are now going forward Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My 2 boys had scabies caused by fox mites 2 years ago. They had skin scrapes and nothing showed up for their sore itchy kin which gradually got worse. The vets were pretty sure it was allergies and I eventually asked to see the dermatologist and he did a second skin scrape and knew what it was straight away. They were treated with Stronghold which I wasnt happy about but I thought at the time the vets knew best and by this time they were pretty sore and red and bad. Freddie got Thrombocytopenia a couple of weeks later and was very poorly and I always wonder if it was the Stronghold that caused it. He did recover from it but I think that fox mites can be hard to diagnose
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