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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

thank you for your comments, we have no idea what she is crossed with or if she has always been like this or it is a product of her original owner dying but she is a complete jeckel and hyde. she is laid at the side of me now and she is happy just to be in contact with me
We had quite a large gathering yesterday and when our family arrived she went OTT with excitement but it was a 'nice happy' OTT and she got plenty of fuss and then she settled down just like a normal dog
the comment about noise is very telling because any sound that is not usual has her dashing into the house and laying in her usual place a jibbering wreck yet if she is already in the house when the noise occurs she is not fazed in the slightest. We have a ball with a hole and it gets filled with treats and she has a whale of a time pushing it around for the treats to fall out
so I think we will not bother taking her walks because it upsets us not knowing what is best for her
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You have to do what is best for both you and your dog, you both have to be happy, that's what is important. Sometimes people only think about what is best for them and forget about wether the dog is happy or not. Well done you for thinking of Millie as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree with Beardielady, this behaviour is not confined to rescue dogs or beardies. Many dogs get overexcited and are not able to control their emotions as well as we would possibly like.

Millie clearly loves going on her walks and meeting other dogs and it would be sad if she wasnít taken on walks. If you stop taking her on a walk because of her excitable behaviour her behaviour at home may become more problematic in time as Millie will not be physically or mentally stimulated as she should be. Millie is also a sociable dog and if she does not continue to meet other dogs she can become less sociable.

Millie has a lot of potential and I think you and Millie would benefit so much from a behaviour specialist coming to help you who could guide you in the right direction.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It wasn't my intention to infer that Millie is as she is because she is part beardie or a rescue dog- that is simply a fact, as for behaviourists we have employed 2 different experts and neither had any idea what would be best for Millie, all that both of them knew with certainty was what was best for their pockets, I am sure that out there is someone who has come across similar in a dog and that there may be some kind of answer, but I can assure you that her difference in behaviour between being indoors and out needs seeing to be believed
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:26 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Roy, I hope I have not confused people. Basically I was trying to say that behaviour problems can occur with any dog and at any time but obviously it did not come out right. Unfortunately the problem with the printed word and me not using smilies or whatever.

Anyway without anyone thinking I am being ďbossyĒ, did you try out the things I suggested in one of my previous posts (Wed Sep 27, 2017) ? Being with another dog outside may help temporarily to take Millieís mind off things.

The other thing is have you had her thyroid tested yet? Some dogs can become very nervous when their thyroid is not working properly. They also can become very excitable. Also is Millie spayed? I do not want to get into the pros and cons of spaying (unless behaviour comes into it) but I personally have noticed a very excitable Beardie become a lot calmer some months after she was spayed. It took me a while to notice how OTT she had become (especially when around traffic) when she was having her season etc. She was spayed for medical reasons though.

I can understand your reluctance to behaviourists, especially if the two have not helped. I have never used one but I have had experience of some dog trainers at classes in my early days with Beardies. My dog behaved perfectly for the trainer and even with me at the classes. But then she went back to pulling on the lead as soon as we were home. But I did learn something Ė I was the problem! So I was the one that also had to learn.

Of course there will be some dogs with serious problems that it is difficult for anyone to solve. But it may be (and please do not take this the wrong way) that you are unknowingly transferring your anxiety for taking her out down the lead to her. That is why I suggested previously trying a different person to walk her (not necessarily a trainer, just a capable friend). Even with you walking in front?

Believe me, Roy, I know how much a dog's behaviour can change from one situation to the next. Sometimes you can not cure it, you can only hope to lessen the problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry Roy you have had bad experiences with behaviourist. If they couldnít help in some way even to help you manage Millieís behaviour is concerning.
I can appreciate her change in behaviour from inside to out and Iíve seen very similar.

A professional should be able to observe Millie and see why she is behaving this way and advise you accordingly. I could help find someone local for you. If I am in your area I would be glad to help.

Happy New Year

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you for your comments, I have in fact employed someone who seems to be very sympathetic to Millie's problem and she spent 2 hours with us watching and interacting with her, she left us with some idea's for us to try until we next see her
She thinks that not making her go a walk is a good idea and that instead of her (Millie)confronting what is making her anxious just gentle small encouragement to go outside for a while (bribed with treats) and if she wants to come back into her safe place then let her and still give her plenty of fuss
It is far too early to see any signs of improvement as we have only been at it for 3 days but the positive attitude that has been instilled in us gives us all we need to carry this on although we are aware that it is likely to be a long process
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well done Roy glad you have at last found someone to help. Happy New Year.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thatís very good news you have found someone to help you.

Millieís problem has always been her becoming over excited which then causes her anxiety very quickly. Millie needs help in controlling her emotions and to remain at a calmer level to prevent her anxiety developing. Iím not convinced keeping her inside will do that but Iíve not had the luxury of seeing her myself. If her anxiety is caused by going outside alone then the advice you have been given is a good way forward. I really am pleased you have support and this person has made you feel better about moving forward and I genuinely hope their support helps with Millie.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 6:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am giving a short update on this lovable idiot of ours, we of course have been in lockdown like everyone else so that it has thrown our training out of kilter. The last trainer was really good and understood Millie's problems and we went through a number of exercises all within the confines of our property both inside and out always ensuring that the door was open so she could get back to her 'safe' place if she wanted
Now when I get ready to take her to search for treats in the garden she gets really excited and vocal so the next stage will be to increase the distance from home that we take her, I am fully prepared to take it at Millie's pace because we can see how happy she is, she is like a 8 year old pup
I know that members are interested her progress and because of the help from this last trainer there is a definite improvement and I will continue to post progress reports as and when they happen
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 8:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Roy I'm so pleased to read this Very Happy How wonderfull that you have at last found a trainer that understands Millie and knows how to work with her. keep up the good work Very Happy Nice to know you are all safe and well too Smile

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 11:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Good to hear everything's progressing nicely with Millie, really pleased for you both. Keep up the good work Roy.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 4:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Good to hear this, keep it up both of you xxx

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