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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This has happened and sadly three dogs died. I am posting what was on facebook
"Do you have breakdown cover with the RAC? And do you have dogs?
23 November 2013 at 13:01
Think you're going to be rescued if you break down? Think again.

Last night 3 ladies broke down on the M40. In their camper van they had 12 dogs. The dogs were contained in the van. The RAC refused to move the vehicle to safety because of the dogs being on board - not even to a nearby services. The van was parked on the hard shoulder in the darkness for THREE hours, until a lorry ran into it. 3 dogs died, several were running loose on the motorway. Two of the passengers were injured.

Today I have spoken to the RAC to clarify what my membership covers and they have told me it is at the discretion of the recovery driver if he chooses to recover the vehicle if there are dogs on board. Even if those dogs are secured or crated. The dogs don't have to pose a threat in any way, it's solely dependant on the person who comes out to you.

If you have RAC membership and own dogs, can I seriously suggest you speak to them, ask them to change their policies and until they do, look elsewhere for your cover."
For those on facebook there are pics with the link https://www.facebook.com/notes/claire-wallace-sims/do-you-have-breakdown-cover-with-the-rac-and-do-you-have-dogs/10201758809745569
Frightening, especially as with other memberships(green flag and AA )it also seems to be at the recovery drivers discretion)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

How awful for everyone involved. No reason for them not to have been moved to safety.

Broken down with our 5 before, they stayed in the car in the boot behind dog guard and tailgate while car was put on to low loader and we were taken home.

Driver said they weren't allowed to have dogs in the recovery vehicle. I was fine with that.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Shocking isn't it. what harm would it have done to tow the motorhome to the services. RIP little ones.
I have seen pics of the motorhome and am surprised anything came out of it living. Shocking.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It certainly proved to me it's at the drivers discretion when 10 years ago I was shunted into some roadworks on the busy A2 by a foreign lorry driver. I had Sam in the back of the car at the time and luckily we were both unhurt. I was moved out of the roadworks down to a place where the RAC pick up broken vehicles by one of the roadworks team and he allowed Sam in his car as we couldn't guarantee that any of the doors on the damaged side of car would stay shut en route.

The RAC man picked me up within half an hour (and I had joined at the roadside) and said as he was a doglover then Sam could definitely travel in his cab - how lucky was I - it really was at his discretion. What I don't know is if he realised that I had a dog on board until he got to us.

I was forever grateful for the day that he got my call and not some other RAC driver. He also argued the toss with his bosses that I wasn't charged extra for moving us over what the RAC said was 10miles - he logged it at 6 miles.

RIP to the poor dogs who died in this accident and hopefully all the other dogs plus the ladies in the camper recover soon from this terrible accident.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Seems one lady has broken leg, other two ladies battered and bruised. three dogs also hurt and three dogs were loose on the motorway(thankfully caught) in addition to the three dogs killed.Would have thought that the police should have been informed of the vehicle on the hard shoulder well before the accident happened. Agree Lynley, looking at the photos on facebook I thought it would have been fatal for all as there is nothing left of the vehicle

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Goodness, how awful! Hard to believe they weren't even moved to a place of safety! Shocked


I have belonged to the RAC for more than 20 years, and have never had a problem with their dogs policy (must have just been lucky!).

On one occasion Murdoch stayed in the boot of the car whilst it was on the low loader, as it was only a very short journey (about 3 miles). On another occasion, however, when my car was having to be transported over 100 miles, I refused to let him stay in the car on his own for that length of time, so the driver allowed him into the cab with us.

On the third occasion, I broke down on the motorway on an incredibly hot day and it was the RAC man himself who said we couldn't possibly leave an unattended dog in the car in those conditions, so Jago was allowed to travel in the cab with us for the 50 mile journey.

Obviously all at the driver's discretion, but thankfully some (hopefully most) are very reasonable and sensible.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Horrific and so tragic ( though could have been so much worse )

But if we ever break down I would never stay in the vehicle, ever , and never ever leave my dogs in it unattended ..even if we had breakdown cover that was guaranteed to take the dogs too..I simply wouldn't stay in the vehicle at all..even while we waited for the services to come out ..I thought it was common knowledge 'not' to stay with your car

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Unfortunately car blew up on A35 just outside Dorchester a couple of Saturdays ago. (apologies if you were travelling in the area at the time as close both carriageways, police and fire brigade attended). Have RAC cover and had never considered there would be a problem re the dogs. Lady on phone warned me that they may have to be left in car on low loader. Car had been full of smoke and said I wouldn't put them back in. pick up truck arrived and driver allowed both dogs to sit on back bench seat to Fareham where a second driver picked us up and actually went and got a bigger truck to take us to West London so dogs had more room in the cab.

Maybe we were just lucky but couldn't fault the service the RAC delivered at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

May have been difficult to get 12 dogs out with three ladies and in the dark too.They were all in cages I think, either going or coming back from a show.Would have thought the recovery vehicle that couldnt take them could at least have left some safety equi pment to make the vehicle visible.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

totally agree Anne - I can't actually believe that they were left on the hard shoulder for 3 hours in the dark. Someone on FB has put they should have phoned the police first.

The RAC has responded on FB to say they were on their way to get them off the motorway when the accident happened but from what I have read the first vehicle refused to move them - but in these hi-viz elf and safety days I just find it hard to believe they were left stranded. So sad.............. Sad.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes agree that 12 would have been difficult to manage in any scenario...and God forbid if any recovery vehicle evert refuses to get me off the motorway I will ring the police..

the RAC 9 at their discretion ..WHAT..they have a duty of care to avoid any accidents caused due to vehicle breakdowns ...so the driver of vehicle who refused to help them should be disciplined and imho cautioned by the police !

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hope the rescue driver has been made fully aware of the consequences of his actions . If only he had done the right thing and moved the viechle off the motorway. He deserves more than a caution , it was entirely preventable.
Poor lady to see that happen, she must be devastated.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

tb wrote:
Hope the rescue driver has been made fully aware of the consequences of his actions . If only he had done the right thing and moved the viechle off the motorway. He deserves more than a caution , it was entirely preventable.
Poor lady to see that happen, she must be devastated.


I totally agree, those two drivers should be taken to the cleaners for this!!! Mad What a tragic thing to happen. Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I must admit that I am horrified at this, agree with Jill that it would have been difficult to take all the dogs out of the vehicle, so the obvious thing was to tow the vehicle off the motorway. It was an accident waiting to happen, hoping like everyone else, that the RAC drivers discretion is challenged, would it have been taken so lightly if the 3 people in the van had been killed as well, which easily could have happened.
Sleep tight little ones xxx

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That's awful Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Beardie Mom wrote:
Yes agree that 12 would have been difficult to manage in any scenario...and God forbid if any recovery vehicle evert refuses to get me off the motorway I will ring the police..

the RAC 9 at their discretion ..WHAT..they have a duty of care to avoid any accidents caused due to vehicle breakdowns ...so the driver of vehicle who refused to help them should be disciplined and imho cautioned by the police !


I agree there should be some sort of consequence for that driver, the death of those dogs is on his hands. Surely the discretion thing should only apply to having dogs in the cab? Confused What was to stop him towing the whole vehicle as others have said? Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Can't see anywhere any mention of the driver of the lorry ... As they are the direct cause of the fatalities and injuries here's hoping they get prosecuted for 'driving without due care and attention ' 'colliding with a stationary vehicle ' .. As angry as we are with the desperately horrible RAC driver it's the lorry driver who was very nearly guilty of manslaughter !

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

apparently the lorry jack-knifed - not sure if that was the cause of the accident or it happened after he had hit the camper.

I do hope the lady in intensive care is going to be ok.

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copied from face book ......

ALL the dogs who went missing in the crash on the M40 involving an exhibitor's motorhome have been found.
Three did not survive; two were killed on impact and the other was hit by a car, but Cardigan Corgi Darren was found seven hours later unharmed.
The show world leapt into action yesterday to help the three stricken women inside - international photographer Lisa Croft-Elliott, Carrie Russell-Smith and Anastasia Egorova - and their 11 dogs and puppies after their vehicle was struck on the hard shoulder and demolished by a lorry at about 5.30am on Saturday.
Inside were four Cardigan Corgis, four English Toy Terrier puppies, two Poodles and the Chinese Crested. The three killed were a Corgi, a Toy Poodle and the Crested.
One Corgi is still at the vet's and on a drip but the other dogs are back home.
Ms Croft Elliott's and Ms Russell-Smith's 12th dog, a Parson Russell, had been staying with a friend for the weekend.
The three women were on their way to a Corgi specialty near Shrewsbury when their vehicle broke down. While waiting for help on the hard shoulder for three hours between junctions 11 and 12 near Banbury, Oxfordshire, they were hit by the lorry, which demolished the motorhome. The dogs were in reinforced metal crates which protected most of them.
Ms Egorova (Twinkie), 19, who spent the summer helping out at Ms Croft-Elliott and Carrie Russell-Smith's kennel and had returned to go to the Corgi specialty, is in intensive care having suffered various injuries including a broken back. She is on a board and being turned every five minutes to aid her collapsed lung.
She is awake but immobile, Ms Russell-Smith said.
"She has broken ribs, has had an operation on a broken femur and has three fractures to her spine," she said. "We have been to see her this evening (Saturday) and she was awake and immobilised."
When word spread about what had happened people drove, unbidden, to the scene to help.
"We can't begin to thank everyone individually for support and offers of help, but three cheers to Mel Spavin and Lee Raymond, Margaret and Andy Anderson, June Caffel, Hollie Kavanagh, Gavin and Sarah Robertson and DogLost who outdid themselves," Ms Russell-Smith said.
"Corgi Suka is still at vets and the other kids on the sofa."
The Corgi who died was Int Ch Telltail Sweetdreams (Sweetie) at Llaneirwg, owned by Ms Croft-Elliott with Paula O'Donnell in the US who bred her. She won the group at Scottish Kennel Club and had one CC plus various wins abroad.
Darren, who went missing, is Ch/Am/Lux/Hung Ch Yasashiikuma Telltail Dbledare (Darren), is current top Cardigan 2013, group winner, BOB at Crufts and has had various wins abroad BOB at the World Show this year.
Corgi puppy Waggerland Last Laugh for Llaneirwg (Smirk) also survived. She has done well as a youngster, including Pup of the Year heat runner-up twice and RBPIS all breeds at Belfast. She was bred in the Netherlands and is co-owned by Ms Croft Elliott and Hanno Dijkhorst.
The Toy Poodle who died was Argoel Road Rage,
Today Ms Russell-Smith told DOG WORLD that she and Ms Croft-Elliott felt 'very fragile' and would be going to hospital to be checked over.
"Our backs and necks hurt," she said. "The paramedics checked us over at the scene and wanted us to go to hospital, but you don't when you've got dogs, do you."
She said they had been 'overwhelmed' by the kindess shown by dog people worldwide.
"Lisa has received 11,000 emails from all over the world," she said. "Our phones have not stopped ringing, it's unbelievable," she said. "We are staggered to find out how many people care. The dog world is incredible."
The three women had been waiting for several hours for a recovery vehicle when the crash took place.
In a statement the RAC said: "We are extremely saddened to learn that a young woman has been injured and that three dogs have lost their lives as a result of an earlier incident. We had despatched a specialist recovery vehicle to attend but unfortunately the accident occured while the vehicle was en route to the scene."
The crash shut all three lanes of the carriageway after the lorry jack-knifed. The lorry driver was not hurt.
- See more at: http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/104798#sthash.mNGyU6hL.dpuf

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

thanks for the update Jill - I haven't seen that one yet on Facebook.

a truly shocking and terrifying accident and looking at the pictures how any of them got out alive is a miracle.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I hadn't realised the motorhome actually broke down before midnight. The first RAC van attended and couldn't fix it, and it was only then that they had to look for a specialist recovery truck (should not have taken that long to get a 12 ton recovery truck to site).
So sad the young girl has a broken back and now the list of dead dogs has reached 4. Very sad.

SOMETHING ELSE TO NOTE: IF YOU BREAKDOWN IN SOMETHING LARGER THAN A CAR, CALL THE POLICE. THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH RECOVERY COMPANIES WHO MUST ATTEND WITHIN 1 HOUR. IT COSTS BUT BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE.

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When I saw this on fb yesterday, I first thought of Hazel.
This really is the stuff nightmares are made of.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:32 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Now seems as if no rac vehicle had attended the scene before the lorry hit. They had only said they would send a vehicle to remove. There is an audio interview with the the person in the vehicle on here http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/104798

The rac have put a statement on their fb page stating that no patrol had visited the breakdown and left. A recoveryvehicle had been arranged but had not arrived before the accident.
This is the statement on there "Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings with us regarding the accident on the M40 on Saturday - we are listening to you and reading every comment. There is an ongoing internal review of this matter, but at this time we would like to clarify the rumours that a patrol vehicle was sent out and left the scene are false. It is absolutely RAC policy to attend breakdowns when animals are involved - the delay occurred because we were arranging for a suitable specialist vehicle to attend the large motorhome. The recovery team arrived shortly after the accident but were stood down by the police who were dealing with the incident.

We are in telephone contact with the member and have expressed our deep sympathy for her and her fellow passengers in this tragic accident. We are very sorry to hear that a fourth dog has now had to be put down."

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