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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Our puppy had his first vaccinations nearly 4 weeks ago and is due to go for the second this Wednesday. I am very worried because I have read some very frightening things about the Lepto4 vaccine and am wondering whether I should not have the second one.

Our vet changed over from Lepto2 to 4 a couple of years ago and we didn't really give it a second thought - too trusting maybe.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi - here is the link to a topic about Bravecto and Lepto4, on here, from last year. Hope it helps, and I am sure plenty on here will advise you further xx

http://www.beardedcollies.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15262

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Mel, are you on fb? Have a look at this link & decide...........https://www.facebook.com/groups/322967551247441/
You can also look on Canine health concerns fb page too, as well as their website.....http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk/
Good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Some very good links have been given, in the end it is only you who can make the decision. I had my last puppy vaccinated with Lepto4 before I realised how dangerous it can be and after the second shot he started to have problems which the vets can't resolve or find any real reason for so they have put in a vaccine reaction report to the manufacturers, though no one can be sure it was the vaccine that caused this. Good for you to be questioning it and good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I only have the first vaccination done, and no more, never had a problem.

There is no reason to keep having all the rest done. Even the vet agreed with me! Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Pam I think here we are talking just about lepto4 vaccine, the first jab is just a primer then they have the second one 4 weeks later which then gives the protection. Wink Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you all so much for replying.

I have definitely decided not to go ahead with the second Lepto4 jab, it just sounds too risky.

Presumably the first Lepto4 jab will give him some protection anyway.

Does anyone know how you stand with pet insurance if you do not have all of the vaccinations?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

mel wrote:
Thank you all so much for replying.

I have definitely decided not to go ahead with the second Lepto4 jab, it just sounds too risky.

Presumably the first Lepto4 jab will give him some protection anyway.

Does anyone know how you stand with pet insurance if you do not have all of the vaccinations?


The first Lepto jab is just a primer you don't get any protection until the second jab sadly. Sad

With pet insurance it will depend upon who you are insured with, some companies just eliminate any disease that could be vaccinated against (when you don't) from cover but there do seem to be others who simply refuse to cover anything. So you do need to check before taking out cover as they don't always tell you their policies.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I told my insurance I wasn't getting mine vaccinated again & they still cover, but nor for those things the jab allegedly covers.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well we have just got back from vets and I didn't get the second Lepto4 jab done. My vet was absolutely fine about it, said it is entirely my decision and I can always change my mind at any time in the future. Naturally she is very pro-vaccinating for this and uses it on her own dogs.

I didn't think any Lepto vaccine was available until a few years ago, but on checking she said our last two dogs always had it going back to 2001.

It is just such a worry Sad

The thing that gets me is if our pup developed an illness after having the vaccine, they would never admit that it could possibly be anything related to that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My pup is only 5 months old and I did not have Lepto 4 injected but I DID have the 'old' Lepto 2. I am lucky in that my vet only uses Lepto2 anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The new Lepto4 vaccine has only been available for the last 4 years so you may have had the old Lepto2 for your other dogs. The Lepto2 did/does have more reactions than any of the other vaccines but is not as bad as the new Lepto4 which my vet admitted is killing dogs!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Glad I have read this, mine had the first lep4 three weeks ago and are due to go for the second. I did discuss it with the vet and and assured that it was safe and was to treat a New and virulent diseases. I shall cancel second visit and tell them why. I shall also try and find natural flea treatments.. not that we have them. Scared stuff Shocked thanks for information...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

That's rubbish that it is to protect against a new and more virulent disease as one of the new strains added is only carried by a vole that doesn't even exist in this country and the other one accounts for 0.1% of disease! They have added new strains and made the vaccine more dangerous with absolutely no benefit to dogs in this country.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Have just cancelled. They asked why and I told them. Have just downloaded a vaccine guide free from .. dogsnaturally. Interesting. Thanks again guys. X

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:21 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Gerrie have you tried Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks? I used it last year with great success and am using again this year.

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No I haven't. What's in it and where do I get it from please? What about worming? I use drontal plus, always been ok with that.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Here's a link to the makers it's available as dry herbs or tincture:

https://www.csjk9.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=57&idcategory=3

It contains seaweed, Fenugreek, Mint, Neem leaves and Lemon balm.

The dogs don't seem to mind the taste at all and their coats are in lovely condition!

I use Wormcount to test for worms so only worm when necessary with the appropriate product. So far they have all been worm free other than two of the spaniels recently contracting Fox lungworm which has a 7 day treatment with Panacur. I shall retest them in 3 weeks. I like to keep chemicals to a minimum so find this works for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you, shall investigate that Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for that link Jacquie, I have just ordered some and will start to give it a try on Zebo - he seems to eat anything with relish!! Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Derwendolly wrote:
Thanks for that link Jacquie, I have just ordered some and will start to give it a try on Zebo - he seems to eat anything with relish!! Smile


I'm sure he'll love it Shirley. Very Happy

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Laughing Bet you can get it in " Snail " flavour for Zebo if he wont eat it..... Laughing

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judy g wrote:
Laughing Bet you can get it in " Snail " flavour for Zebo if he wont eat it..... Laughing

That would be his idea of heaven!! Also anything that smells of fish, that is his real favourite. Smile Let's face it, Zebo just likes fooooooddd Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy A happy, healthy Zebo, then....

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Nothing wrong with that Cool

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