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Can someone please tell me what I can expect to be paying these days for a beard pup from a KC registered breeder ??

Our last Beardie passed six years ago at the age of 14 so .... 20 years ago we paid £450 for him and he was worth every damned penny. We're now very seriously considering bringing a new pup into the family but am uncertain as to how much I will have to pull out of my pension pot to pay for him.

Just trying to budget you know

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I'm not sure about the current rate but I know a while ago you would expect to pay £800-£900, may be more by now though. My first beardie puppy cost me £30! Laughing

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Hi KC pups are being sold for around £1,000 to £1,200 at the moment. I think it is really considered purchase now.

I hope you find your special bundle soon x

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Around £1,000 ... but do your research and be careful, there are some dodgy dealers out there .....

Just editing my post cos i had not read your's properly ... I read KC registered pups rather than KC registered breeders ... Embarassed

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks to everyone who responede.

I am liaising with a Kennel Club Registered breeder who also shows dogs and has her own dog therapy and training centre so I think Im pretty safe but thanks for the advice

Price is much what I had expected £750 through £1000

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Thanks I am liaising with a Kennel Club Registered breeder who also shows dogs and has her own dog therapy and training centre so I think Im pretty safe but thanks for the advice

Price is much what I had expected £750 through £1000

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Keep us posted and we do love a puppy and loads of photos.

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Very Happy We do love puppies, especially if they are amphibious

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judy g wrote:
Very Happy We do love puppies, especially if they are amphibious


Are you thinking of .. guppies Jude Confused Very Happy

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Laughing Yes! Thems be the ones!

( sorry, hijacking again... Rolling Eyes )

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Thanks I am liaising with a Kennel Club Registered breeder who also shows dogs and has her own dog therapy and training centre so I think Im pretty safe but thanks for the advice

Price is much what I had expected £750 through £1000


As dogs become ever more popular there are some behaviourists, vets and breeders who are exploiting this to make as much money as they can from our lovely dogs. What happened to the days when it was for the love of dogs and their welfare.

I have spent the last 10 years now working with beardies that have had a few emotional upsets and they needed some support and help. Please dont take for granted that because someone if KC registered or has anything else that they are a good breeder. I have seen beardie pups from so called reputable breeders who show the same emotional upsets as pups from puppy farms.

My advice would be never buy a beardie pup or any pup if it has spent the first few weeks of its life in a kennel. Make sure the pups have been raised in a part of the home were we spend more of our time so they can get used to every sounds and noises, not raised in an upstairs room.

Always see mum and if mum is not very friendly and does not want to interact with you then walk away. Donít fall for the she is protective of her pups, she may well be but it also means she will not be a very good mum and her pups are more likely to suffer from stress as they mature. Also make sure that all the pups are friendly and want to interact with you, if they back off then walk away.

Donít buy a pup over 8 weeks old and I prefer not to buy a pup that people have only been able to come and see it at 4 weeks of age, this should be 3 weeks.

Ask the breeder what they have done to socialise and habituate their pups? Also ask about any health problems in the breed and in their line.

Its difficult to do but donít let your heart rule your head.

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Thanks I am liaising with a Kennel Club Registered breeder who also shows dogs and has her own dog therapy and training centre so I think Im pretty safe but thanks for the advice

Price is much what I had expected £750 through £1000


As dogs become ever more popular there are some behaviourists, vets and breeders who are exploiting this to make as much money as they can from our lovely dogs. What happened to the days when it was for the love of dogs and their welfare.

I have spent the last 10 years now working with beardies that have had a few emotional upsets and they needed some support and help. Please dont take for granted that because someone if KC registered or has anything else that they are a good breeder. I have seen beardie pups from so called reputable breeders who show the same emotional upsets as pups from puppy farms.

My advice would be never buy a beardie pup or any pup if it has spent the first few weeks of its life in a kennel. Make sure the pups have been raised in a part of the home were we spend more of our time so they can get used to every sounds and noises, not raised in an upstairs room.

Always see mum and if mum is not very friendly and does not want to interact with you then walk away. Donít fall for the she is protective of her pups, she may well be but it also means she will not be a very good mum and her pups are more likely to suffer from stress as they mature. Also make sure that all the pups are friendly and want to interact with you, if they back off then walk away.

Donít buy a pup over 8 weeks old and I prefer not to buy a pup that people have only been able to come and see it at 4 weeks of age, this should be 3 weeks.

Ask the breeder what they have done to socialise and habituate their pups? Also ask about any health problems in the breed and in their line.

Its difficult to do but donít let your heart rule your head.




Sincerely, thank you for your advice. But I am pretty confident that the lady I am talking with is most definitely a reputable breeder. I am seeing her and the litter, with their mum, in a couple of weeks.

As I said in an earlier post, over the past 30 years our family have owned two beautiful Beardies. Due to work commitments, we haven't owned one now for six years, since our last beard passed. But we're are going to get another and we will be looking to ensure that its provenance is good.

Again, thanks for your comments and advice Very Happy

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Your very welcome and thatís great news.

All the best with your potential new family member. Smile

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Yay Robert - dont forget the photos..... Smile

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Yay Robert - dont forget the photos..... Smile



No worries, as soon as we have chosen one I will post a pic or three and let you know what his name will be - yes we're decided on a boy rather than a girl Rolling Eyes

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Chris why three weeks?

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Hi Chris & Robert, It has been a very long time since I have posted on here,but felt I would like to comment on this post.As you know me Chris,I would like to assure Robert that the breeder I think he will be meeting is a very good friend of mine. Like myself is a KC Assured Breeder,with very high standards,and extremely knowledgeable in all aspects and many years experience.I think some people are under the impression that the KC just sign you up as an Assured Breeder,from experience that is not the case!I would also add that I certainly do not allow anyone to view my puppies,until they are at least 4 weeks old preferably 5. Weaning will then be in progress,and puppy characters starting to develop,neither do I let any puppy leave until the min of 8 weeks.When anyone comes to see me,I probably spend a couple of hrs,explaining the lifestyle I expect any of my puppies before going to there new home.This is a very comprehensive list,one important one vaccinations,diet another,socialisation etc.This is also given in written information,on the first visit.If I feel that anyone is unhappy with my expectations on the natural lifestyle,example would be raw feeding, min vacc, chemical wormers and flea treatments.Then I am unlikely to let then have a puppy. I wish you luck Robert when you visit the breeder, lovely litter saw them a few days ago. I am also hoping for the patter of tiny paws in a couple of months. Mary (Megamaree)
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Hi Jacquie,

At three weeks a pups senses are starting to function and at this time its beneficial to their future emotional states and behaviour that they start to get used to different people and everyday things as soon as possible.

Itís a breeders personal choice as to what they want to do. I think some say 4 weeks to prevent any infections being passed onto their pups, donít quote me on this one.

Itís just my preference to buy a pup thatís been introduced to other people at 3 weeks of age.

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Hi Chris,
Sorry but I have to totally disagree with you on this one,have you read my previous post.From my last litter of 11 puppies,I spent over 3 weeks on the sofa sleeping with them,which as you can imagine very tiring making sure they all fed well.As I pointed out in my previous posy 4 to 5 weeks is the earliest I would allow anyone interested in having one into my home.Those first 3 weeks are very precious particularly for the Mum.Puppies are only just being weaned,plus seeing anyone for the first time I would need to re-charge my batteries!The gradual change to solid food is also the time when any infections are likely to occur.Rearing of puppies is very rewarding if done properly,one stage at a time,but also hard work

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Hi Jacquie,

At three weeks a pups senses are starting to function and at this time its beneficial to their future emotional states and behaviour that they start to get used to different people and everyday things as soon as possible.

Itís a breeders personal choice as to what they want to do. I think some say 4 weeks to prevent any infections being passed onto their pups, donít quote me on this one.

Itís just my preference to buy a pup thatís been introduced to other people at 3 weeks of age.
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Hi Mary,

I did not mean to sound like I was having a go at the breeder of Roberts future pup personally, as I am not sure who that may be, sorry if it came across that way. My advice was just general advice as not all breeders are like you Mary who take the time to socialise and habituate their pups. Itís great that you know who this breeder is and can assure Robert.

I appreciate the standard to become an assured breeder is high and this is a good thing but my comments are based from a behavioural point of view. The scheme focuses mainly on breeding practises and health, with one mention of socialisation. There may be a breeder who meets all the requirements of the scheme but they may not socialise their pus enough and there is no supervision on this to make sure they follow any criteria, just suggestions. So from a future behavioural point of view the scheme is no guarantee pups will not suffer from emotional problems or anxieties associated with poor socialisation and habitation.

I am pleased Robert that Mary can reassure you about the breeder you may be buying a pup from, I am pleased for you. I know Mary well and I trust her. My advice on buying a puppy is not meant as an attack in any way on breeders but this is my own criteria as I feel I would be paying a lot of money for a pup and I would want to ensure it had the best start in life, I have to be the right person for that pup and that pup has to be right for me.

I guess no one would sell me a beardie pup, I would be their worst nightmare. Very Happy

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Hi Chris & Robert, It has been a very long time since I have posted on here,but felt I would like to comment on this post.As you know me Chris,I would like to assure Robert that the breeder I think he will be meeting is a very good friend of mine. Like myself is a KC Assured Breeder,with very high standards,and extremely knowledgeable in all aspects and many years experience.I think some people are under the impression that the KC just sign you up as an Assured Breeder,from experience that is not the case!I would also add that I certainly do not allow anyone to view my puppies,until they are at least 4 weeks old preferably 5. Weaning will then be in progress,and puppy characters starting to develop,neither do I let any puppy leave until the min of 8 weeks.When anyone comes to see me,I probably spend a couple of hrs,explaining the lifestyle I expect any of my puppies before going to there new home.This is a very comprehensive list,one important one vaccinations,diet another,socialisation etc.This is also given in written information,on the first visit.If I feel that anyone is unhappy with my expectations on the natural
lifestyle,example would be raw feeding, min vacc, chemical wormers and flea treatments.Then I am unlikely to let then have a puppy. I wish you luck Robert when you visit the breeder, lovely litter saw them a few days ago. I am also hoping for the patter of tiny paws in a couple of months. Mary (Megamaree)



I think we're on the same page Very Happy

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Ladies and gentlemen, you're all clearly devoted and wonderful owners, carers and/or breeders of my favourite dogs... Beardies. Smile I am very grateful for your input, you advice, and guidance. Thank you all very much.

Let's draw a line. I will keep you all informed as to my progress with my hopeful adoption of a beardie from the breeder I am in dialogue with. I will post photos as things progress.......

We (breeder and I/us) are in the same neigbourhood - literally small amounts of miles apart. And, we seem to be talking the same language. Rest assured, with all your heartfelt advice and guidance, my wife and I will endeavour to ensure our heads rule our heats and, should we reach mutual understandings with the breeder, we will stay in close contact her throughout our pups life into adulthood and beyond.

We (my wife and I) are not so "wet" behind the ears and the lady we are in dialogue with, is a KC registered breeder. She is clearly a mega lover of beardies and without mentioning names is, I believe, well known in the show dog arenas.

So..... barring some as yet unknown issue, I am quite confident that we're both on the same page and that, should we (again my wife and I) meet the demands of the breeder (and vici versa), will shortly become the proud owners of a beautiful beard boy i..... Smile

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Hi Mary,

I did not mean to sound like I was having a go at the breeder of Roberts future pup personally, as I am not sure who that may be, sorry if it came across that way. My advice was just general advice as not all breeders are like you Mary who take the time to socialise and habituate their pups. Itís great that you know who this breeder is and can assure Robert.

I appreciate the standard to become an assured breeder is high and this is a good thing but my comments are based from a behavioural point of view. The scheme focuses mainly on breeding practises and health, with one mention of socialisation. There may be a breeder who meets all the requirements of the scheme but they may not socialise their pus enough and there is no supervision on this to make sure they follow any criteria, just suggestions. So from a future behavioural point of view the scheme is no guarantee pups will not suffer from emotional problems or anxieties associated with poor socialisation and habitation.

I am pleased Robert that Mary can reassure you about the breeder you may be buying a pup from, I am pleased for you. I know Mary well and I trust her. My advice on buying a puppy is not meant as an attack in any way on breeders but this is my own criteria as I feel I would be paying a lot of money for a pup and I would want to ensure it had the best start in life, I have to be the right person for that pup and that pup has to be right for me.

I guess no one would sell me a beardie pup, I would be their worst nightmare. Very Happy



I appreciate all input and take it as it is meant. No offence taken or given (I hope).

Please rest assured that I take on board all comments in the context they are given and nothing goes unheeded. A well known proverb comes to mind, perhaps not verbatim but nevertheless goes something like this:

"man (gender non sensitive) only has two ears and one mouth, be sure to use them in equal ratio......"

So I am listening Smile

Thank you Very Happy

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